Morena Blvd Reconfiguration

MORENA BLVD STREET LAYOUT  (View facing North)

Bay Park Boardwalk will extend from Clairemont Drive to Tecolote Road. Linda Vista Plan Area residents will be submitting their proposal for extension of the Boardwalk south of Tecolote Road and will be posted here when completed.

The street has been laid out to position the volume of vehicular traffic (cars, bikes, trolley and light rail system) adjacent to Interstate 5.  This design allows bicycle riders to move freely and not obstruct or be obstructed by foot traffic moving along the Bay Park Boardwalk.  A landscape/sound wall/green buffer separates the two bicycle lanes from the trolley and light rail systems (see view below).   Bicycle racks will be provided at storefronts for patrons using bikes as their mode of transportation.  Boardwalk access by bicyclists wishing to use the Boardwalk will be positioned at intersections.  

The suggested speed limit for the two northbound automobile lanes is 25 MPH. The western NB lane will keep traffic moving while the eastern NB lane will service the angled parking.

A 6-foot wide landscape buffer (represented above by the tree/hedge on the Boardwalk in animated view above, and by the green hedge in the built-out view below) will be installed between the Boardwalk and parked cars to hide them from view.   The buffer creates better ambiance for sidewalk cafes and will act as a sound barrier.

If you would like to redesign the street layout in a different way, please go to Streetmix.  You can upload your final design at the bottom of the page in the ‘Comments’ section.

 

FINAL BUILT-OUT VIEW OF MORENA WITH NEW BOARDWALK    (View facing South)

Note that far east (right side of image) depicts landscape buffer separating Bicycle lane from Trolley and Light Rail tracks.

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Image copyrighted 2015 and provided by Jeff LaMattery

 

61 comments on “Morena Blvd Reconfiguration”

  1. M. Gephart Reply

    I’m concerned about the angled parking along the boardwalk. Given the volume of traffic along Morena Blvd any time of day, and the excessive speed people travel, I believe the angled parking will cause accidents. Will there be sufficient marking in the east lane that will tell people to go slowly, to watch out for people backing out of the parking spaces?

    I’m also disappointed to see that the south bound lanes have been reduced to one. How is that going to handle the volume of traffic? When the freeway (5) is moving very slowly, as it does in the mornings and evenings, people use Morena Blvd, the alternate route, as a highway. I don’t believe this is a solution, I see it as a hinderance.

    • admin Reply

      The new speed limit is suggested to be 25mph. From the survey we found most residents don’t use Morena Blvd as access to their homes. The two northbound lanes are there so that one will service the angled parking, the other to keep traffic flowing. At the moment, the configuration of Morena is like a Daytona 500 race track. With the speed reduced, and the angled parking, more Boardwalk patrons will be able to park along Morena and less inside our interior streets in the way of residences.

    • Citizen Reply

      I agree angled parking will cause accidents and also losing a lane on south side is not a solution. Why don’t we just leave the parking as parallel to avoid backing up into traffic.

      • admin Reply

        Good comment Citizen,
        If you look at the street layout once more, you can see that having the two NB lanes on the east side of Morena Blvd actually alleviates this. One lane will be used to enter and back out of the angled parking spaces, while the adjacent lane will keep traffic flowing past. This is why two lanes are NB and only one is SB (Southbound). The west side of Morena will have no parking spaces to deal with. Also, bicycle riders will have two lanes on the east side of Morena Blvd and can access the Boardwalk by crossing intersections and utilizing bike racks in front of the new fancy storefronts. They will not be allowed to ride on the Boardwalk, but will have their two-way lanes protected by a barrier from the SB vehicular traffic. Bicycle ridership has informed us that they prefer to be on the east side of Morena because people are more unpredictable than cars, so there will be no bike riding near people and patrons walking along the Boardwalk.
        If you think of Pacific Beach, the angled parking is a mess because there is only one lane to both access the parking and keep traffic moving. Morena Blvd is unique in that there is no need for parking on the west side of Morena.

        • admin Reply

          Citizen,
          You may want to reconfigure the street layout yourself. You can do so by clicking on the Streetmix program located above in the dark blue text above. You can change parking to parallel parking to see what it would look like! When completed, you can post the final drawing through the comment section upload.

    • BayParker Reply

      Angled parking is no more dangerous than parallel parking, in fact I would suggest it is less so as there are many people who are not able to efficiently parallel park.

      With angled parking you are in and out and the parking space is fixed. With parallel, not only is there much reduced parking available, it is subject to how much space people leave and large vehicles being replaced by smaller vehicles, but many people are in/out/in/out etc while trying to park.

      It would be interesting to find out the accident rates in places like Encinitas and Solana beach where angled parking is currently in place.

      Regarding the number of lanes, I believe the idea is (rightly so) to promote recreation over vehicular traffic. There isn’t the volume of traffic even now to justify four lanes.

  2. Bob Stout Reply

    I use Morena Blvd quite frequently to get in and out of Bay Park. It has always been a nice and very convenient way to avoid traffic. I do like the plan, but I fear the increased flow with effectively 50% less lanes will make getting in and out of Bay Park very inconvenient.

    • admin Reply

      Good point Bob. We are working on a 3D virtual reality presentation final “build-out” of the street layout that will eventually include vehicular traffic counts (shown as automobiles moving down Morena Blvd, and we will use the Mobility portion of the Morena Study where traffic counts (current and predicted) will be visually represented by moving cars.

    • Peg Lieb Reply

      I agree – We need the two full vehicle traffic lanes in each direction to get in and out of Bay Park and also need the lanes to get to the stores.

      • admin Reply

        The problem with four lanes on Morena is that there would be no room for the Boardwalk. This is why we are proposing three lanes. The community survey, meetings, and other discussion groups supported losing a lane to gain a beautiful boardwalk.

        • Gary Reply

          We really don’t need a “boardwalk”! What we need is 2 lanes each way with the ability to access the businesses with turn lanes…Cowing to retail is not what Bay Park needs to do…cowing to increased “tourism” and making our community another PB is NOT what Bay Park “needs”. Bay Park needs bike lanes Yes but not a “boardwalk”!

    • BayParker Reply

      I disagree. We do NOT need four lanes. There isn’t the volume of traffic along it now to justify four. But for me, the most important is to reduce the speed of the traffic. It is currently dangerous and noisy. 25mph seems to be a perfect speed limit to be in line with these fantastic proposals and is in line with the rest of the streets in residential Bay Park.

      Turning Morena into a beautiful recreational area for the whole of the neighborhood to enjoy should be a higher priority than the occasional traffic avoidance for a few.

      • Anonymous Reply

        I agree! I think Morena should include beautifully landscaped roundabouts to slow traffic even more in certain areas.

  3. Walter Groth Reply

    This board Idea going from clairemont dr. to Tecolote rd. ! this going to be on the Old Morena blvd to tecolote rd. or th west Morena blvd or both ?, look’s like the plan is just for west Morena ?from where they meet ?…Give us a birds Eye view of the whole thing from Clairemont dr, to Tecolote , showing development of both morena blvd’s

    • admin Reply

      Great suggestion Walter! We are working on a ‘bird’s eye view’ for the length of the Boardwalk and will have it posted shortly. We are also working on a 3D complete “final “build-out” of what the Bay Park Boardwalk will look like in virtual reality. We appreciate all of the comments in this thread because it helps us develop what you folks in the community recognize as problems and solutions.

  4. burgener resident Reply

    “Bicycle Ridership” is who, exactly? Do you have similar consensuses for “car drivership?” “Home ownership?” No, of course not.

    Almost everywhere bi-directional cycletracks have been tried, they are located alongside or nearly adjacent businesses, not isolated on the far side of the roadway. What you’ve created is a high-speed bike facility, which is fine, but 5′ each way is not adequate.

    Regardless, as presently conceived with a raised center median, you are basically eliminating bikes from accessing the businesses at all, given that there are only limited opportunities to leave the dedicated bikeway- at intersections.

    Turning movements, and therefore the ability to access the businesses, are a disaster in this setup.

    If you really want to design a proper high-quality bike facility, in my opinion the best option is to locate it immediately adjacent the boardwalk, with the parked cars (angled or otherwise) acting as a physical buffer to the vehicle travel lanes.

    When parking utilization is heavy, this “floating” parking lane is a wonderful option. There are challenges, however- primarily the fact that you’d have to lose a parking space at each leg of the intersection to accommodate sight triangles, and you’d have to look at eliminating right turns on red lights, but it’s .

    This is a great video on the concept:

    https://vimeo.com/86721046

    • admin Reply

      Your suggestions are valuable and removing the buffer between the bicycles and vehicles makes sense! Check out the new Built-out view above depicting no center median. Without the median, the bicycle lanes can be larger than 5 FT wide.
      Would you like to help us host a special meeting for bicyclists to help us gain a better understanding of your needs and how we can incorporate them into the proposal and plan? If so, please contact me: james@raisetheballoon.com.
      Thanks again for your insightful post.

  5. Bruce Reply

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    Looking through the plan, to my understanding this cross section is what most of Morena Drive was going to look like after construction. If it is going to be reconfigured, redesigned and rebuilt anyway, I think adding parking and a public boardwalk to the area is a step in the right direction. Especially with a slower speed limit.

  6. Peg Lieb Reply

    Sorry, I can’t figure out how to upload my street alignment to your site and don’t want it on my facebook page. http://streetmix.net/-/282294

    I would like two lanes of traffic both northbound and southbound on Morena. One lane Northbound is not sufficient in my opinion especially if there is increased housing. Parallel parking on the East side. A narrow strip of trees & landscaping between the North & South lanes (for beauty and safety), a green bike lane on the East side (so bikers can get to the stores), street lights on both West & East with the East lights illuminating the sidewalk and bike lane. See http://streetmix.net/-/282294.

    I’d also like a widening and improvement to the Morena Blvd street between West Morena & Tecolote and continuing south where it meets West Morena.

    • admin Reply

      The post below yours has an uploaded street view. It is downsized when it appears in the post, but when a reader clicks on the pic, it enlarges it. Also, make sure it is a common file type such as pdf or jpeg. We are planning another Raise the Balloon community meeting to walk folks through the website and demonstrate how to upload documents and images. Thanks for your participation!

  7. Kurt & Marcia Reply

    We live in Overlook Heights and would love to see the proposed Morena Blvd Boardwalk plan extended along West Morena Blvd to Linda Vista Road. Additionally we need to get the 30ft height restriction limit written into the Linda Vista Community plan.

    • Lewis Reply

      Agree 100%. The 30 ft height limit needs to extend beyond Tecolote Rd. Who decided to divide Bay Park up at that point anyway? Certainly not any of us who live around here. The city has gone way too far accommodating developers. Local politicians use the city council and mayor offices to launch political careers. Witness all the former city council members and mayors that have moved on to higher office. Obviously our quality of life is bargained away to fund political careers. When city council members and the mayor vote in favor of developments and re-development over the wishes of property tax payers, we must hold them accountable at the ballot box.

  8. Rich Reply

    What can be done to prevent Morena from becoming another Garnet Avenue, i.e., drinking central. Can liquor licenses be limited, especially for non-full service restaurants? Thanks for everyone’s time and effort on this.

    • James LaMattery Reply

      Liquor licenses have to go through the public notification process through permit process and that means public input through the local community planning group. You can monitor permit applications by going to my business website at http://www.jameslamattery.com and check the “Services” tab. You can find out more about our Clairemont Mesa Community Planning Group by going to http://www.understandtheplan.info and go to the Index Page and click on Clairemont Mesa Planning Group. It will take you to the Agenda and Minutes.

  9. Rich G Reply

    Has anyone proposed a tall sound barrier wall to run to the east of the 5 and the length of this project? It will both increase safety and greatly improve the environment.

    • admin Reply

      Yes, we are talking about using sound walls in the far east landscape buffer and maybe in the landscape buffer that will separate the angled parking and the Boardwalk.

    • reubrn b Reply

      Poorly though out. The bike lanes headed south lead to the intersection of Old Morena \, New Morena and Sherman St, and the bridge over the San Diego River and the freeway entrance and no outlet to Mission Bay. The narrowing of Morena Blvd will slow traffic and force it on to Frankfort St. North of Ashton Street there are mostly commercial businesses and apartment complexes will they have to vacate to make room for the restaurant row. I agree Morena Blvd. need a change but a change that benefits the residents not a new tourist district. A pedestrian railroad crossing to the end of old PCH(by the sell storage) would give access to Mission Bay.( I use that route now) Will the propose “boardwalk”result in a property tax assessment to pay for it? Bay Park does not even have side walks but we need a Boardwalk?

      • admin Reply

        Reubrn B- I encourage you to look again at the proposed street layout. There are two Northbound lanes where the east lane serves the angled parking access, and the west one keeps the traffic flowing-unlike on Garnet where the angled parking is accessed by the same lane as traffic flow (one lane only). The freeway overpasses at Clairemont Drive and Tecolote Road will be widened (see the Morena Study and the trolley station plans) to include pedestrian and bicycle access to Mission Bay. The funding for the street layout on Morena is also in the Study as SANDAG and the City were already changing the layout, we just made it more appropriate to the area in order to create a beautiful Boardwalk that will bring value to resident’s homes, and to local businesses. We’ve all lived too long with the ugly mess that is now called Morena Blvd. This is the community’s chance (finalization of the Morena Specific Plan) to ensure that we get the best quality construction and improve the neighborhood while controlling the number of new living units allowed in the area. None of us want over-densification and we’ve fought long and hard for the last 18 months to ensure the 4718 units were thrown out! The idea that decreasing one lane on Morena will force traffic onto Frankfort is something that can be mitigated-if it ever happens. Thanks again for your input and I encourage you to attend the local planning meetings.

    • Andres C Reply

      Rich, I wish they would have understand your question here. If there is something that I want for the neighborhood is a wall sound right next to the freeway so we do not have to hear the terrible noise contamination 24/7. I like the idea of the boardwalk, the trolley and everything people are talking about here. But, the purpose of any change in this case is to increase the quality of life and with the I5 noise not being addressed we are not going anywhere.

    • Andres C Reply

      Rich I agree 100 % with your initiative. I wish people understand how annoying is to have that noise 24/7 in their life. We want to improve the quality of life we need to build a sound wall and keep the I5 out of our ears and eyes.

      Thanks,

  10. jeannie McGowan Reply

    I agree that the angled parking is unsafe going to cause more accidents. Proof is around the corner on Ashton where it was changed to angled parking. That lane is not going to stay unused except for cars backing out. and who says 25 mph speed limit is going to work. There is no need for a 15 ft sidewalk. keep the business inside the stores and leave the sidewalks for walking to and from the stores. Leave the streets like they are. Make the bike lanes part of the 9 ft buffer you have drawn up. The trees already planted and growing don’t take up 9 feet and are beautiful if the city would take care of them.

    • admin Reply

      Jeannie,
      I encourage you to read the reply below that was written to Reubrn. I agree with you that Ashton is a mess because it has only one lane serving both traffic flow and access in and out to the angled parking. The community has proposed two lanes to prevent this from happening. Look again at the proposed layout (2 NB lanes- 1 SB).
      Business owners need incentives to clean up their properties and adding a beautiful Boardwalk of 15 feet is a beginning. Currently under code, owners can build straight up to 30 ft with a 5 ft sidewalk between their buildings and Morena Blvd. The Community Survey has borne out that residents want a walk-able and safe Morena Blvd. You have the ability (click on the streetmix link above) to redesign the street and post your final solution.
      Thanks again for participating, your comments are important. If you haven’t taken the Community Survey yet, I encourage you to do so.
      Thanks for your comment.

      • BayParker Reply

        Thumbs up here for the 15 foot boardwalk. Let’s make Morena an area for recreation.

      • Anonymous Reply

        You aren’t understanding that people driving on Morena aren’t going to “stay” in the left lane so the right lane can be used for pulling in and out of parking spaces,they won’t even move over to the left lane when they see a car waiting to turn onto Morena….. And could someone tell me how southbound traffic is going to turn left? What about the people who live here, are we trying to bring more people to Bay Park to eat and whatever and the people who live here have to deal with it? So far I’m only seeing the money trail…..More density,more places to dine maybe….i’m not getting a community feel just another retail one.

    • Ellie McGlynn Reply

      One lane on Morena really concerns me. Traffic will be backed up at lights. Maybe they are thinking most will be riding bikes.

  11. BayParker Reply

    I’m very excited by these proposed developments. No-one can deny the need to clean up the ugly and dirty Morena Blvd area and to sort out the dangerous traffic speeds along it.

    There are some good ideas here in the comments, such as a noise barrier for the freeway, and putting the bike lane on the side of the sidewalk, however, as a regular cyclist, I believe that a “sharrow” (share the road) scheme with lower speed limit that works so well in north county would be better.

    Angled parking is a good way to increase the amount of parking available. To those suggesting this will cause accidents, Do the likes of Encinitas and Solana Beach experience increased accident rates due to their angled parking?

    I’m hoping that we can realize something along the lines of Encinitas, with an eclectic collection of businesses. This can only be good for the neighborhood and our property values.

  12. Steph P. Reply

    Thank you so much for this website! I am a native of what is now called “North Bay Park.” I still remember the old KAM-CHAT-KA neon vodka sign! My life will be most impacted by the Balboa station, but I traveled Morena Blvd for 10 years to my job in Old Town and I still rely on Morena for work and family responsibilities. My comment is to simply advise residents to be very careful with the traffic calming as it can backfire horribly. Traffic calming was instituted at Clairemont Dr and Ute St, as well as Clairemont and Balboa all at once, several years ago. The combination of No Turn On Red signs and bad light timing resulted in a huge line of cars sitting on Clairemont Dr and Ute St several times a day. Drivers would speed up to gun through the lights making the street even more unsafe. It took YEARS for the city to finally correct the problem by adding additional turn signal lights and changing the timing. My concern for Morena is that the reduced speeds, SB lane reduction and additional traffic signal lights could result in backups similar to what we had on Clairemont Dr. And if Morena gets too slow and crowded for commuters, they will start driving on the residential back streets to avoid Morena. That would be a disaster for Bay Park residents. So my comment is to simply be very cautious with the city; once they put up signs and lights, it is very hard to get them changed or taken away. Thank you~

  13. Tiffany Reply

    Bike lanes a must. Get rid of old, run down buildings. Small business spaces with class. Green living walls a great touch. more trees and greenery in general. Concern about trolley stop bringing more homeless and if we add benches homeless will camp out. More businesses that are family friendly, with adult space and kid space. Luce is a great start. Keep building on that concept. More outdoor patio type places too.

    • Anonymous Reply

      Building new / more small business spaces is a huge mistake. As one that owns and rents out to small businesses, Morena is the last place I would suggest creating more small business space inventory. The reason is simple, there is no population to the west, less people to frequent these new businesses – the boardwalk in PB is mostly residential. This is way Napier has seen little remodeling. Additionally, the internet has sharply reduced need for retail stores and office space – there’s Amazon & home office and personal service

  14. Joe Reply

    I’ve seen the proposed changes to Morena Blvd and the plan for the landscaping. I feel that a 6 foot landscape buffer sounds great in theory, but it is ultimately impractical. There should be hardscape access to all persons parking on the angled parking and not have the people who just parked reposition to the next boardwalk access point due to landscape seperation. No family or handicapped person wants to back their stroller/wheelchair onto the inboard Northbound traffic lane just to move to a position that actually has an access point to the boardwalk.

    I can see this landscape buffer working IF the 6′ landscape buffer was more like 3′ with another 3′ allotted to a sidewalk area next to the angled parking so that there is a transition walking space from the vehicle to the access points.

    I think tree grates on the boardwalk work just fine anyway and not necessarily having the 6′ landscape buffer. Just add another 2′ to the 15′ boardwalk for the grate width and have a tree grate every 20 feet or so. I think the trees would work just fine as an ambiance if chosen wisely. The other 4′ should be used to “regain” another southbound traffic land. We could re-adjust the widths to have two 10′ southbound lanes by reducing the bicycle lanes to 4′ each and taking a little from the 9′ landscape buffer with the trolly. I think not having 2 Southbound lanes could discourage folks from other areas to come and hang out/spend their money if the traffic flow is a mess.

    I’d love to hear what you guys think.

    • admin Reply

      Joe- Your comments are very intuitive and we’ve been working on a reconfiguration of our 3D modeling that is restructuring the street design exactly as you have suggested! The current design posted was merely a framework to get the ball rolling for intelligent and thoughtful observations such as yours! The modeling will be posted soon. In the meantime, please continue to post your ideas as they are crucial to the process of completion of the Boardwalk.

      The reason 2 SB lanes cannot be accommodated is merely space requirements that exist. We worked our proposal from the existing street measurements (from the existing curbs, on the west side of Morena Blvd, to the light rail tracks that are currently alongside the freeway. 2 NB lanes are necessary in order to accommodate both the angled parking and the NB flow of traffic. We don’t want another mess like Pacific Beach where one lane is serving both traffic flow and angled parking.
      One of our future negotiations with the Project Manager of SANDAG will be along the lines of financing and the community’s design encourages folks from other parts of the county to use the trolley to access the Bay Park Boardwalk. In other words, our community has several bargaining chips with SANDAG and the City Planning Dept, and ridership for the trolley is not coming from the local community (i.e. our Community Survey and meetings in the neighborhood show that most folks in Bay Park, Bay Ho and Overlook Heights will not be willing to walk down our steep hillside to use the trolley and then walk back home uphill.) So, ridership from other areas of the county are crucial to the two coming trolley stations at Clairemont Drive and Tecolote Rd (although we’ve resisted them being placed at both locations, they are already under construction). Ridership from other areas means building a Bay Park Boardwalk that people want to come to. It is crucial that we convince property owners on Morena to upgrade their sites, and having a boardwalk that is appealing and accessible (wheelchairs and handicap included!) is paramount.

  15. Eric Reply

    The boardwalk concept and renderings are fantastic. Very nice job and thank you to the people who created that. Although it has benefits to decrease the lanes and hence speed on Morena, one challenge I see is decreasing Morena from 4 to 2 lanes.

  16. Rob Curulla Reply

    It appears there is no room for dedicated left turn lanes on the southbound side. I imagine you have thought about this, but I didn’t see it mentioned anywhere. I apologize if this was covered in one of the questions or answers below.

    • Rob Curulla Reply

      So, um… what are your thoughts on the apparent lack of left turn lanes on southbound Morena in your plan?

  17. Dane Reply

    This probably isn’t the place, but I think more needs to be discussed about replacing the mobile home parks along Morena. I don’t think I have heard anyone who doesn’t want these gone. Make it affordable housing, even….anything but what it currently is.

    • admin Reply

      This is exactly the place to discuss the mobile home parks. Fairfield (a development company) just purchased the site bordered by Morena, Frankfort St, and Tonopah Ave from KB Homes. KB was intending to ask the city planners for parking for their homeowners/tenants along Morena Blvd but they sold the lot to Fairfield after understanding that Raise The Balloon and community residents were opposed to allowing the concession for parking. Fairfield intends to build units (luxury apartments) and keep all parking for their tenants on site and off our streets. Fairfield is also a participant of green and sustainable construction and will be submitting their preliminary drawings to us (Raise The Balloon and Build Bay Park Boardwalk) for community feedback.

      We will be discussing more of this at the upcoming “Kick-Off” block party for “Bay Park Boardwalk.” The time is yet to be announced so please join the email list on the Home Page so that we can send you an email alert when the date is set.

      Another concern is the displacement of the folks now living there. Some provisions are being made by Fairfield to re-locate them and at the last AD HOC Subcommittee meeting we requested that the city help find or provide another place for current residents as well.

      • Dane Reply

        Great news! Thanks. Hopefully something beneficial can happen with the other mobile park near Knoxville and Morena. And I agree, we must prioritize the needs of the current residents as well.

      • Anonymous Reply

        More Luxury apartments,no affordable, more people,less parking and driving lanes….NOT the way to “redevelop”. Great way to overcrowd a beautiful neighrborhood!

  18. Peter Reply

    Looking at your rendering I would like to see outdoor boardwalk seating for Luce and Baci (and other cafes, bars, restaurants). Outdoor seating is essential for any pedestrian revitalization

    • admin Reply

      We are working on an interactive 3D program to do exactly as you have requested. Visitors to the site will be able to insert Boardwalk elements such as benches, outdoor seating for restaurants, and other design such as landscaping. The depiction of the Boardwalk is merely a framework that visitors, such as yourself, can insert those design elements.

  19. Janet Milliken Reply

    Joe and Spe[hen P. have already said perfectly my concerns about the traffic flow, green shrubs, etc. I am not happy to cut down the traffic lanes from 4 to 2 and not have left turn lanes. I firmly believe we will have traffic back-up, and we residents will, indeed take side streets. I know I will. Too much sidewalk on both sides and bike lane taking away from automobuile traffic lanes.

  20. Juha Reply

    This is a nice idea but I am really concerned about the traffic on Morena Blvd. Reducing lanes seems counterintuitive to me. The trolley will bring more traffic into the area and it is crucial for the neighborhood to make sure that Morena can handle the traffic volume safely and without slowing down. There is already a major problem in the traffic flow between Morena Blvd and Clairemont Dr and I would like to see how that can be solved to make residential streets, including the area around Bay Park Elementary, safer.

  21. Sarah Reply

    I am really hoping this gets extended past Tecolote road! The area between Tecolote and Linda Vista really needs some sprucing up….

  22. admin Reply

    This Post is from Sharon Griffin- posted by admin
    Attributes and Considerations for Age-Friendly Communities
    This report is based upon findings in the World Health Organization’s 2007 report on how to optimize opportunities for the health, participation and security of the rapidly growing 60+ segment of the US population. A second resource is from an article by Carla Cachadinha, from the National Laboratory for Civil Engineering, Jan. 2012 Characteristics of an age-friendly neighborhood built environment; comparison of age-friendly community models with empirical evidence.
    By 2050 this demographic group will grow from 17% to 27%. The percentage of the 60+ segment in urban areas by 2050 will expand from the current approximate 81% to 87%.
    The ideal for age-friendly communities is that these integrated communities provide housing, jobs and services within walking distance.
    Smooth, safely navigable walking surfaces –
    Be sure painted surfaces are not slippery
    Islands and medians are interrupted for ease of crossing the street
    Visual and audible crossing countdowns
    Guard rails and hand rails
    Aesthetically pleasant surroundings –
    Lighting at a human scale on the street, 12-15 feet maximum height
    Cleanliness, soft to mid-tone noise, odor free
    No graffiti
    Natural sites, like the bay, trees, etc.
    Seating for breaks and visits along the way
    Trash cans
    Dog clean-up bags
    Green spaces on fringes of commercial areas to encourage community interaction and also provide sun/rain shelters
    Recommended tress for drought conditions and San Diego hardpan dirt
    Focus of commercial regions should be on the businesses and community members for a “village” experience
    Housing and building needs –
    Diverse housing options in regard to cost, access to housing (non-stairs), and public transportation availability
    Elevators/escalators for multi-level units in housing or commercial establishments
    Ramps, wider passages, hallways, doorways, good lighting, suitable stairs with railings, non-slip flooring, rest areas with comfortable seating, adequate signage, public toilets with handicap access all adding to the mobility and comfort within buildings
    Transportation –
    Public transportation including the need for those without cars to have ways to get groceries, shopping items and themselves home without a major effort
    Strict enforcement of traffic rules including a separate cycle path for cyclists
    That commercial establishments be related to regional transportation options
    Social participation accessibility –
    Affordable and flexible transportation
    Friend or caregiver can also attend
    Times of day appropriate for attendees – some day or early evening events for elderly to participate or attend
    No lines but fast and easy access for seniors
    No economic exclusion
    Street facing windows for natural surveillance
    I would like to see trees put on the boardwalk rather than trimmed hedges. Here are some ideas:

    • greg souza Reply

      I was born and raised in Bay Park.First of all the city can’t maintain what they have now.But yet they want to expand and change Morena blv,give me a break.Good example look at the boardwalk in Mission Beach and Pacific Beach.It was worn out 40 years ago,needing replacement.The city doesn’t trim palm trees,or fix pot hole in the roads.The restrooms in Mission bay are filthy.If you go west on Morena Blv,where Morena meets Balboa ave,get out of your car and see where 40 plus years ago when the city built the bridge that goes over Balboa,the city never even tore up the old ashphalt that connected Morena to Balboa.This whole idea of a rail line on Morena and re-doing the area makes me sick to my stomach.We can’t afford this project,and we don’t want it.Maybe the city should think of how they can fixs the broken pension plan here in San Diego FIRST.

      • greg souza Reply

        WATER WATER WATER it’s getting to the breaking point right now for most people,paying for water here in so cal.If more people are living in our Morena neighbor hood,where is the water gonna come from?As we all know now there is not enough water for us now.Is everybody ready to pay $200.00,$300.00 a month for water??Are you ready to use your water on odd and even days,just like we did for gas here in the 70’s.I’m not talking about watering your lawn,but in your house.When you put to many people in a small area,it’s causes to many problems,plus it’s uncomfortable,traffic,crime,wait times,you know the drill.It breaks my heart to see such a nice area runined.THIS ISN’T PROGRESS.

  23. Gary Reply

    Again, I think you’re missing the point….I see very few businesses that will benefit from your boardwalk, nobody else….you want to take away traffic and turn lanes so you can put in a sound barrier and two bike lanes? I really don’t see any advantage to this, just another waste of taxpayer money and a disadvantage to all that LIVE HERE!

  24. Anonymous Reply

    Why did Keil’s move east from Morena? And why has Napier St seen little remodeling? Because there were is too little population in the immediate Morena area to support retail businesses. There is no population immediately to the west – And too few people to frequent new business buildings. For the same reason the PB boardwalk is mostly residential buildings – without tourism and bars they have far fewer business buildings, Bay Park is neither a bar zone nor tourist zone. “Build it and they will come” is a movie fantasy. The developers will say yes to any plan (including bay park boardwalk) as long as they can squeeze in maximum amount of “VIEW” residential.
    Building additional small business spaces is a huge mistake; they will be vacant and languish and reduce property values. I own a few small business buildings that I rent out. Morena is the last place I would suggest creating more small business space inventory. Will it change? Consider, the internet has sharply reduced need for retail stores and office space – there’s Amazon & home office… and how many more bars & restaurants can Morena support, or does the neighborhood want? maybe be a Garnet Ave bar zone?
    ACCESS TO OUR PARK is what our community most needs. A good foot / bike bridge – Bridge(s) can be funded by the $1.8 mil that UCSD Medical is offering the city for naming rights to our 3 stations. City had no problem finding money to add exit lane for Seaworld visitor traffic at Seaword Dr. (and I oppose UC naming because their official business mission statement is “research, education, people” in that order)
    As all know, driving down Ashton at greater than 5mph is scary because of angle parking – In fact, angle parking is so challenging at Mission Bay Park that cars are now required to BACK into angle parking at the playground area – really…really…really — what would angle parking look like on Morena?
    Few realize how busy Knoxville is with auto traffic – I’d like to see no Knoxville St access to the hundreds of condos built there – All access (foot and auto) should be to and from only Tecolote Rd.

  25. Ira Reply

    Why did Keil’s move east from Morena? And why has Napier St seen little remodeling? Because there were is too little population in the immediate Morena area to support retail businesses. There is no population immediately to the west – And too few people to frequent new business buildings. For the same reason the PB boardwalk is mostly residential buildings – without tourism and bars they have far fewer business buildings, Bay Park is neither a bar zone nor tourist zone. “Build it and they will come” is a movie fantasy. The developers will say yes to any plan (including bay park boardwalk) as long as they can squeeze in maximum amount of “VIEW” residential.
    Building additional small business spaces is a huge mistake; they will be vacant and languish and reduce property values. I own a few small business buildings that I rent out. Morena is the last place I would suggest creating more small business space inventory. Will it change? Consider, the internet has sharply reduced need for retail stores and office space – there’s Amazon & home office… and how many more bars & restaurants can Morena support, or does the neighborhood want? maybe be a Garnet Ave bar zone?
    ACCESS TO OUR PARK is what our community most needs. A good foot / bike bridge – Bridge(s) can be funded by the $1.8 mil that UCSD Medical is offering the city for naming rights to our 3 stations. City had no problem finding money to add exit lane for Seaworld visitor traffic at Seaword Dr. (and I oppose UC naming because their official business mission statement is “research, education, people” in that order)
    As all know, driving down Ashton at greater than 5mph is scary because of angle parking – In fact, angle parking is so challenging at Mission Bay Park that cars are now required to BACK into angle parking at the playground area – really…really…really — what would angle parking look like on Morena?
    Few realize how busy Knoxville is with auto traffic – I’d like to see no Knoxville St access to the hundreds of condos built there – All access (foot and auto) should be to and from only Tecolote Rd.

  26. Frankfort Street Residents for 37 Years Reply

    Has anyone covered the fact that if Morena Boulevard traffic loses an existing lane and the speed limit is reduced to residential speeds (25 mph), the congestion will cause many, many, many more drivers to cut through Bay Park by driving down Frankfort Street from Milton Street to Morena Boulevard?
    This will put Frankfort children, families, the elderly, and dog walkers at much greater risk of being hit by a car. We are an entirely residential street and don’t have sidewalks on either side as it is, and the street is barely wide enough for two cars to pass in between homeowners’ cars parked on either side.
    Minimally, Frankfort would need to have more speed bumps and stop signs installed in an effort to reduce non-resident traffic and keep Frankfort from becoming a dangerous thoroughfare.
    Making it safe on the new Bay Park Boardwalk along Morena Boulevard seems to be everyone’s concern. Let’s make it just an important a concern to keep our children and other residents safe around where they live and play from the ramifications of the Boardwalk.

  27. Anonymous Reply

    I sincerely appreciate the time and effort put into this project. We love living in Overlook Heights, however, the sad, neglected area that is the Morena District is distressing.
    Several SD neighborhoods have designed excellent traffic calming patterns from which we can learn. Bird Rock, for example.
    Many of the comments here are excellent and thoughtful. I do believe that there is more than sufficient population close to Morena to sustain more small businesses. The few excellent restaurants we have more than prove that.

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